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Postby mightyevil » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:19 am

R-DUB wrote:I think that your theory is flawed. If they fizz doesnt mean they are unsafe. It means they contain a high amount of alkaline. Like limestone. Texas Holey rock is limestone. Which I know is safe. It will have a tendency to make your water harder over time. But not unsafe for cichlids, maybe others. Most of what is fizzing is probably dirt and debris anyway. I would just stay away from rocks that appear to have metallic looking "flakes" in them. Or ones that have "rust" oozing or leaching out of them. The rest are more than likely safe if cleaned well. Good Luck!
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I hope I am wrong, rather, I hope that what I read is wrong.

Samson wrote:One of the nicest backgrounds i've seen here. Good work!


Thank you! :D

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R-DUB wrote:I think that your theory is flawed. If they fizz doesnt mean they are unsafe. It means they contain a high amount of alkaline. Like limestone. Texas Holey rock is limestone. Which I know is safe. It will have a tendency to make your water harder over time. But not unsafe for cichlids, maybe others. Most of what is fizzing is probably dirt and debris anyway. I would just stay away from rocks that appear to have metallic looking "flakes" in them. Or ones that have "rust" oozing or leaching out of them. The rest are more than likely safe if cleaned well. Good Luck!
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The "acid test" is to intended to distinguish visually identical types of calcite and quartz apart in the field. It has nothing to do with "safe". It has nothing to do with anything other than answering the question, "Hmmm, is this crystal calcite or quartz?" You have to break the rocks to a fresh surface in order to do the test properly, and that seems to be left out of the steps you see aquarists using. Limestone and calcite are likely to fizz anyway, but the fizz will fizzle out if you keep doing it, or if the surface has time to weather and age. Some deadly rocks containing ores of copper and more toxic minerals won't fizz at all. Rocks that have metallic flakes in them might be dangerous, or they might be only iron pyrites and innocuous. Rocks with rust oozing out of them are very likely safe for your fish and a boon to some of your live plants, but they can leave stains on items in the aquarium and even on the glass itself so avoid them for maintenance reasons.

You are more likely to find harmful rocks in the mountains of the Western United States than in the East. The old cowboy rule of thumb was if you found water choked with slime and smelly, drink it. The crystal clear pool was the one not to drink from. Especially if you looked nearby and found the skeletons of lots of dead animals. Probably not much more help than the "acid test" but you get the idea I hope from that story that you need to find out what your rock really is, if you want to be safe. No quick and easy test, sorry.


I see, well I guess I will go with the cowboy theory...the rocks had algae and stuff on them so most likely are "friendly", otherwise I don't think the algae would have grown on them (obviously, I could be wrong).

Would it be safe to use the rocks that I poured Muriatic acid on? and should I boil the rocks in water before using them? my guess is I should but the wifey doesn't want my to use "HER" pots to do it so I would like to skip that if not truly necessary.
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Postby scrubjay » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:34 pm

Those rocks look fine. Boiling them is sort of up to you. If they have no cracks or biological matter sticking to them, it's probably okay to just give them a good scrubbing. But if you are one of those "better safe than sorry" people, or the stream where you collected them might have any sort of pesticide or pollution, then you might want to be on the safe side.

It's sort of hard to tell from those pics, but they look an awful lot like river rocks I collected in northern California that I was going to use in my tanks.
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/rock_metals.php
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Postby Malawi_Junkie » Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:37 pm

That looks very good!!!!!! would like to see some pics under water. I just started mine for my 220 gal, hope it turns out as nice as yours. Thanks for showing us how you pulled it off. :thumb: :o =D> :o =D> :o :thumb:
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Postby mightyevil » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:13 pm

scrubjay wrote:Those rocks look fine. Boiling them is sort of up to you. If they have no cracks or biological matter sticking to them, it's probably okay to just give them a good scrubbing. But if you are one of those "better safe than sorry" people, or the stream where you collected them might have any sort of pesticide or pollution, then you might want to be on the safe side.

It's sort of hard to tell from those pics, but they look an awful lot like river rocks I collected in northern California that I was going to use in my tanks.
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/rock_metals.php


Yeah, I guess I will do it the safe way.

Malawi_Junkie wrote:That looks very good!!!!!! would like to see some pics under water. I just started mine for my 220 gal, hope it turns out as nice as yours. Thanks for showing us how you pulled it off. :thumb: :o =D> :o =D> :o :thumb:


Thank you! Good luck with your build!

I know I said I would have the tank up and running by last Monday and it has been but it was too cloudy, I was not going to post the picture but I will do it anyway. I also had to leave the city on business during the week so I was not able to work on it but I will do some work on it today.

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Postby divet » Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:03 pm

Another option you could consider for cleaning the rocks, although it may sound odd, is to run them through the dishwasher if you have one. I usually run it once without the rocks in it on rinse to make sure no detergents are in the system, and then place the rocks in and run it on hot rinse to clean them. Just an idea!


I also have to say, beautiful background!
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Postby Toby_H » Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:58 pm

If the rock is porous... air fills the pores...

Sometimes, depending ont he rock, when submerged, all the air doesn't come out...

When the air that is trapped in the rock heats up, it expands... which can break the rock, sometimes violently...


This same process is more likely to happen when we pull a rock out of a lake/river and toss it into a fire (funny joke that sometimes goes bad)... and is much less likely when biling a rock... but as it is possible it's worth mentioning...

I've washed aquarium stuff in teh dishwasher without soap... works great as long as your girl doesn't notice ;-)
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Postby Tinga » Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:05 pm

What Drylok did you end up using, I see oil and latex.
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I assume you went with the latex? After doing some research, I definitely will be going with the Drylok.

How long after painting did you let it cure?
In water or open air?

I've done some artsy painting techniques, one we did for a speckled quartz was to water the paint down and put it in a spray bottle.

I've got to say though, your background looks great.
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Postby mightyevil » Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:48 am

divet wrote:Another option you could consider for cleaning the rocks, although it may sound odd, is to run them through the dishwasher if you have one. I usually run it once without the rocks in it on rinse to make sure no detergents are in the system, and then place the rocks in and run it on hot rinse to clean them. Just an idea!


I also have to say, beautiful background!


THANK YOU!

That is a very clever idea but I don't have a dishwasher, I just gave them another good scrub and put them in like that.

Toby_H wrote:If the rock is porous... air fills the pores...

Sometimes, depending ont he rock, when submerged, all the air doesn't come out...

When the air that is trapped in the rock heats up, it expands... which can break the rock, sometimes violently...


This same process is more likely to happen when we pull a rock out of a lake/river and toss it into a fire (funny joke that sometimes goes bad)... and is much less likely when biling a rock... but as it is possible it's worth mentioning...

I've washed aquarium stuff in teh dishwasher without soap... works great as long as your girl doesn't notice ;-)


Wow! didn't know that about the potential explosions, good thing I did not boil them.

Tinga wrote:What Drylok did you end up using, I see oil and latex.
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I assume you went with the latex? After doing some research, I definitely will be going with the Drylok.

How long after painting did you let it cure?
In water or open air?

I've done some artsy painting techniques, one we did for a speckled quartz was to water the paint down and put it in a spray bottle.

I've got to say though, your background looks great.


Yes, I did use the latex based. I let it cure for about 2 weeks but only because I had to break down the tank where it was going. I think you only need to cure it for two days or so, can't remember. I too have an artistic background but to be honest the technique I used was one I had never used before, mainly because my canvas was 3 dimensional this time around :D .
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Postby mightyevil » Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:03 am

Here is an update and how the tank will basically look...

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Here is a picture with the first six inhabitants, will add the rest of the fish tomorrow and I will take a picture for you guys.
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And lastly, a shot with the moolight
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Postby justinf67 » Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:38 pm

love it man. you inspire me, but I will not even attempt this until I have a tank bigger than 55 gallons. I love all the details of this one. its your best to date!
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55G: 1 Red Zebra, 1 Msobo, 3 Trewavasae juvies, all thats left after a tank wipeout :(
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Postby mightyevil » Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:49 pm

justinf67 wrote:love it man. you inspire me, but I will not even attempt this until I have a tank bigger than 55 gallons. I love all the details of this one. its your best to date!


Thank you! I think it is my best too.

You should try it, it's really not that difficult.
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Postby mightyevil » Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:35 am

Here is the picture with all the fish and I decided to put the driftwood in.

Bare with me as all the pictures I have taken on this thread are with my cell phone camera and they are not very clear...

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Postby iCichlid » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:35 am

:drooling:

What do you charge ;)
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Postby mightyevil » Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:01 am

iCichlid wrote::drooling:

What do you charge ;)


:lol: Supply me with six months of free styro and we will call it an even swap! :lol:

It is funny you should ask...there has been two people that have walked into my office to ask me where I got the background and when I tell them I made it, they ask how much I would charge them for one. I gave them my number but none called :P . I would have enjoyed making some for some extra cash but oh well :(
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Postby iCichlid » Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:05 am

Is that a silver dollar in your tank?
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