Giberosa's fry mixed from WC/F1 parents

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Giberosa fry mixed from WC/F1 parents What would they become ? F1, F2 ? or something else ?

Also if you had the chance to decide to either have all the females F1 and the males WC or vice a verse. What would you pick ?


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[Fogelhund]

I would simply tell people the fry are a result of one parent being F1 and the other WC!!

I would probably take the male WC's and the F1 females.

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[Razzo]

[fiupntballr]

This is called a back cross while Im assuming the F1s are offspring of the WC.

Just say what the parents are so people know...
I would suspect that the wild females hold better than F1s also.

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[fiupntballr]

I would consider this to be the equivalent inbreeding that you experience in the wild which is a natural thing (look into inbreeding coefficient) I would say a WC male from ANY dealer with your F1 females would be fine and could serve as an awesome breeding group.

[korndiddy091]

I was wondering the same thing. If WC parents have fry, then why arnt the fry considered WC? why does it matter that this happened in the wild or in the tank? To me it seems like once those fry from the WC have babies then it should be F1.
In my opinion, if you have a WC male or female mate with F1's from different parents then to me the fry would be F1.
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[lloyd]

IMHO, the "F1,F2,etc' terminology has no specific place within our hobby. I consider 'w.c.' to be fish netted directly from their lake, and i use the term 'tr' (aka tank raised) to identify all my other cypho for sale. I take the time to isolate first and second generation fry born in my fish room, because that detail seems to be of interest to buyers, but IME, they all look identical to each other regardless. Interestingly, very few buyers choose mature tank raised fish. As price comparisons get closer, more buyers opt for spending extra on 'w.c.' fish. Fry will always be the poor man's in, but there is definitely a concern over 1st generation vs. 2nd generation values. I consider them to be equal---buyers assume the next generation will be cheaper. I don't quite follow that logic, but the discrepancy exists none the less. it tempts me to mix them together...
I have added young females, that were born here, to one of my existing groups of w.c., but they have not yet joined spawning activities. They have changed the dynamics of the group, by forcing other fish into less dominant positions, but i have realized no other benefits. It has been two years since doing that, so that would make those females 4 years old now. I have also set up young groupings of my fry into new colonies. All of these fish, both male and female, have been born in my fish room. one of these groups has had successful spawning activity this fall. I believe that group to be 5 years old. So...IME, grouping young tank born females, with older w.c. males, has not achieved any spawn results, while M/F groups of similar aged tank born have already produced fry.
Personally, if i were a first time buyer, i would choose TR over WC. My only concern with TR, would be to assure they are not all from the same mouth. I have owned too many 'wc', for too many years, that have never produced anything but nitrates.

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